I have made these two simulations of a real battle today, where the attacker and defender have the same 25% surrender percentage.

The first simulation (attached image) is with 10 levels of wall (I have tried more levels, 20, 30 etc., always with the same result).

In the second simulation (attached image) the defender's wall level is 100.

the third image is the percentages that the troops earn according to the levels of the wall.

Now the question is, what is the use of having the wall at level 1 or 100 if we are guided by the simulations on the real attack, if you are going to obtain the same results?

By logicá, the attacker for attacking with many more troops than the defender, the result could be correct, that is, he wins the battle, but what is not correct or logical is that he has the same losses, it is assumed that the greater the wall the defender has more Bonuses so that even if he loses the battle, he would have to cause more losses to the attacker.

This does not make sense to me, the administrators could explain the object of the wall in the game, if in the end you do not get any advantage.

thanks for your attention.

Quote from Halberd

The wall bonus on the troops, as far as I know, has never worked in this world. I wonder if it still existed in the old worlds before the merge. The Damoria team only worked on the strength of the walls and the influence of the research on the walls as you can see in the topic below.
The benefit of a higher level of the wall lies in the strength of the wall.
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Well as far as I know, previously this worked for each level of wall increased by the player, his defensive troops had defense bonuses, as reflected in the screenshot of the game page. If this information can help you: previously attacking a castle with wall level 70 and ensuring that the battle was won, the attacker had to send at least 3 times more troops than the defender had and still with a very high cost of losses for the attacker.

Indeed I know the update that was carried out on the walls some time ago and I do not know if the troop bonuses were taken into account, I consider that this topic is for your study by you administrators for several reasons and among them these two mainly:

1st. It is a characteristic or norm of the game, as reflected in the game itself (screenshot) that there is a specific window explaining the different levels of defense bonuses for the troops, therefore I think these characteristics should be applied to the troops. .

2nd. As a matter of logic, an army that fights in the open is not the same as that of one that fights with protection and allows me these historical examples in the evolution of wars, where they implemented, for example, the moats, the walling of cities ( It is assumed that this was done because it was better defended, then among others the trenches, bunker and all those improvements that are implemented in battles to better protect the armies).

I hope I have explained my point of view well and it is understandable to everyone, as I do not master the English language.

Thank you for your attention and interest in this consultation.

Quote from Caligula

For years the wall bonus was fine. Everyone was happy with the bonus.

When admins made changes to the game and also fixed bugs in walls, many were upset about the changes. Nobody wanted these changes. NATO/Spanish players in particular were against it.

Now you suddenly want a change very quickly. Why? Why now? Why not a year ago? Why not 1 month ago? Why not before the war? Does someone want to sneak an advantage for themselves here again?

Now I understand. That is exactly the strategy of the NATO players at the moment. Hide behind the high walls. Now I also understand why the demand is being made to introduce a high bonus for walls. Unbelievable!

Sorry, but aren't you ashamed of this behavior?

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Dear player, do not try to divert attention from this thread, confuse or distort it, I will only exchange an opinion with you this time because of what I have said before in which apparently you are an expert in misrepresentation; This is a help thread of the game, where you read that a change is requested or something similar, the question is clear, the game has some characteristics and functions, among them this as you can see for yourself that at each level of the wall The troops obtain a series of bonuses, which apparently are not being applied and the question is clear and logical in my modest opinion, what relationship-function do the walls have with the defense bonds that the troops earn and it is requested that if they can be clarify these terms for us.

his wars and personal stories with born or without born etc, I think they are being debated in other threads more consistent than this one.

Quote from Halberd

Hello Mencey,
Can you tell me how long ago the situation of a level 70 wall has been? What do you call "previously"? When we got to this world there was a bug related to the strength of the walls and they were barely in use, as they already fell over when you blow against them.

I am not referring specifically to the resistance of the wall, to tear it down I know that this was corrected and there was an update on the walls.

"Previously" I mean the bipoint stage, at this current stage I had not noticed this detail until now, I thought that these bonds were still working. In the bigpoint stage more or less it would be like this, because I do not know exactly the parameters that are applied

Player A: attacker

Player B: defender

ejm 1:

Player A. attacks with a total of 2,000 troops to the castle with wall 20 and player B, defends with 1,000, both with a surrender rate of 25%

Battle result, player A wins, player A loses 500 troops and defender 250 and capitulates.

ejm 2:

Same attack but defender has wall 70, (defensive troops win according to game characteristics "lancers and rest of troops + 1% defense and archers +2 for each level of wall);

Result of the battle with wall at 70, player A wins the battle, loses player A: 700 troops, player B: 250 and capitulates.

Those bonds would work something like this or similar because as I tell you the application rates that I am not a mathematical one, I do not know them.

finally insist, that I am not referring to the strength that the wall may have to tear it down, in my opinion the update of the wall is correct and is fine like this.

So my doubt and question in this help thread already raised is that, having seen the reports, it seems that those bonuses that the troops earn according to the level of the wall are not being applied, therefore, what real functions does the wall of a castle have in the game ? and on the other hand if it is not logical that an army that is walled would not have to have some type of bonus with respect to another that is not walled.

These doubts arise because if these bonuses are not applied, it is not so interesting to have high walls and dedicate the wall lots or other purposes and each player can adopt their strategy, because in my case I thought that those bonuses were active and except that I'm wrong they are not active.

I will see if I have not deleted old reports of battles in old servers EG2, Spain, England.

Thanks Hosch, indeed those parameters that you explain I know them well, attacking I am very bad, I give myself my good cakes from time to time, but I do minimally defend a little better, not much really hahahaha. But the question is another, as you can see yourself if you go to the first post or enter the recruitment window in the game, there is a sub-window called wall if you click on it you will see depending on the castle you are in that depending on the wall you have some parameters and percentages that are applied as defense bonuses, this is what we get for a castle with 100 levels of wall

REAL + 100% + 200% 133,547,272 Points

Seeing this I consider that there is something that does not fit, because seen the reports of attacks despite these bonuses in defense the losses of the attacker are the same as long as you have 1 level of wall or you have 100. another question is what you explain, already known how it is better to defend a castle according to what types of troops attack you, castle with wall, better to attack with archers, etc, etc,

Whether this new contribution clarifies the query better, taking into account that the wall in this thread is a secondary actor and not the reason for the query.

If you enter the help window and click on the troops sub-window, (attached image) we will get a series of parameters in the first window, the cost of troop production, time, etc., in the second and the important one for this thread, the individual values of each troop both in attack and defense.

We all know that each troop has a value that characterizes it if it is better to defend or attack, as the aforementioned page shows us.

These minimum values of each troop are improved with two parameters, the level of investigation (mention is made of this at the end of the window) and on the other hand, at the level of the wall already mentioned here, with which if we see the window attached to its base value, for each level of wall these values must be increased in the following proportion

defense bonds

archers + 2% for each wall level. goalkeeper defense base value 50.

Troop trace + 1% for each wall level.

With which, the defense values of the defending troops increase and according to the reports of the battles that we currently obtain, they give us the result that it does not matter if you have 1 wall level than 100, therefore or these values are not working correctly and there are bugs in the game or they are not being applied, so there is * misleading advertising * (I cannot find the correct expression in English to define this phrase) of the game that in my opinion requires an explanation or correction.

Quote from Halberd

This part of the forum is for players who have questions about the game, and answer those questions.

The question of whether or not information should be given/adjusted by the provider and at what time belong in "Discussions Game"

Possible solutions for the incorrect information ingame can be placed under "Ideas and Suggestions".

Please try to stick to this format.

Thanks for your clarifying post, some players are still not clear about the meaning of or the purpose of a help / FAQ thread and that in this forum there are different threads such as ideas and suggestions or discussion forums.

again my congratulations and thank you very much for perfectly clarifying the purpose of this part of the forum.

Good morning, after a reasonable time has elapsed so that this query will be studied to obtain an answer and considering that it may have been enough time, I ask if it is already possible to obtain an answer to the doubts raised, which are:

Are defending troops +1 defense bonuses being applied to troop back +2 for acheos as reflected in the game's features? and if yes, could you explain the result of the attached simulation?

If not, would you be kind enough to give a brief explanation of why they do not apply?

These characteristics that we find in the game, are being applied in the attacking troops' bonuses, as well as in the constructions, (see page help tabs of troops, buildings etc)

From your point of view, what opinion do you have (moderators), if an army that defends itself behind a parapet-wall should not have a defensive bonus or not and why should it not have it?

thanks for your attention, waiting for your reply Atte.